Quick and Dirty Science – Steel Cut Oats

TLDR – Lord You Talk Too Much Drew – Executive Summary

It looks like no, Steel cut oats don’t necessarily need to be pre-cooked to use in a mash, but judging by the results I saw – it still helps.

For Those Who Like To Read

I am a huge fan of oats in beer as listeners of the podcast will discover shortly. I tend to use them in a lot of places, because why not. It’s probably because I’m part Scottish or something. (honestly family lineages are so screwy who can tell)

Anywho.. digressions aside. The second episode of the Brew Files – The Crushable Cream Ale, led to me getting tagged on a Facebook homebrewing post about steel cut oats. (Homebrewers Roundtable is a closed group, so you’ll need to ask to be a member of the group.)

Namely, can they just be mashed like normal or should you cook them first? I got tagged because listener Paul Galardy suggested – “maybe they should be cereal mashed and you can hear Drew drone on about it here” (Paul was nicer than my editorializing!)

The question comes – well, the tables that are out there say oats gelatinize at temps lower than mash temps (~125-144F) Basically for oats, that’s the range in which the starches bust out of their cages and go racing free into the soaking liquid. Different cereal grains gelatinize at different temps. You can see from the photo I borrowed from Adam, oats, rye, wheat all happily gooify below saccharification temps. Corn and rice, on the other hand, do not. So that’s why when we talk about Cream Ale (or American Light Lager), you have to talk about pre-cooking the grain.

But not all grain types are equal. I would bet good money that the majority of people think of oats as looking like this.

Those are flaked oats and they’re versitile and wonderful to use. Big thing about flaked grains in general – they’re already gelatinized – hit them with hot water and the starches are free to disperse. That’s why so many brewers will use flaked corn or flaked rice. Less work!

But steel cut oats are a little different, they’re little pieces, but they haven’t been pre-cooked and when made for breakfast, they take a good long while to cook. Is a regular mash hot enough and long enough to hydrate the cereal and get the starch into solution to be enzymatically transformed to sugary good times? See what they look like? (For more information about oat forms – check out this kitchn article)

Steel Cut Oats – Plus Look 20+ years later and sexy knife scar still on the pinky!

The “Experiment”To answer the question at hand, I set up a quick and dirty experiment – two mason jars, 1 sous vide circulator, 1 quart water per jar and ~0.8lbs of domestic 2-row and oats split 50/50. This would put us close to the traditional 1.25 quarts/lb mash ratio many homebrewers use.

Process

Seems so ridiculously tiny, but there you are one pound of Great Western 2-Row
Grind The Barley.

I ground a pound of barley through my lovely MM3 mill to produce a nice even crush.

Crush Your Barley!

Weigh In:

I weighed out 6.4 oz of two row and oats for each jar. This 50/50 ratio is well above what all but the most fool hardy brewers would use, but what the heck. Let’s push this

Weighing in at 6.4oz – The Main Show – US 2-Row

And in this corner – 6.4 oz of Steel Cut Oats
Pre-Heating Jars

When the dumb idea occurred to me, I grabbed my half gallon mason jars, added one quart of water and threw them into a Cambro with my Anova circulator (newer model in link, my old one is discontinued). I set the circulator to 152F and walked away for an hour to let the jars and water heat through.

The Soak

With the water at temp, I mixed the grist into the water and let it soak in the warm bath. Now this is arguably the tactical error I made with the setup. The grains dropped the temps into the high 130’s. To compensate, I let the jars run for 2 hours in the water bath. The first hour was all a slow ramp to 152F and the last hour was the “mash rest” for conversion. Turns out this is about as ideal a scenario as you could get for hydrating the steel cut oats. (Next time, I’ll heat the strike water separately and then dose into the pre-heated jars.)

Time and Temperature Doing It’s Thing

Play with the Hugo While Waiting for the Sciencing to Resume
The Lauter

Take one fine mesh strainer, one giant Rubbermaid pitcher and strain. Each set of grain was allowed to drain. I let the wort drain for about 10 minutes after which we’d collected at least a pint of wort. (In theory we should have collected about 1.2 pints per sample, but I wasn’t being finicky here.)

High Tech!
The Settle

I decided it was best to let some of the massive protein charge in these worts settle first before taking a sample. Oats sure do throw some gunk don’t they. Interestingly that even after an hour, the flaked oats were still messy as all get out. For the record, yes, the fine mesh strainer is a coarser separation mechanism than our usual gear.

After lautering both. The Steel Cut on the left has a 10 minute head start, but it’s clarity was always leaps and bounds. See next pic

One Hour Later – Steel Cut on Left is still much, much clearer
The Tests

I decided to subject the samples to four tests.

  • Mash Taste Test: How did the mash taste? Sweet? Dry?
  • Iodine Starch Conversion: Was there free floating starch in the wort. (The iodine test isn’t exact, but it’s a good rough measure)
  • Original Gravity: How much sugar did we get?
  • Wort Taste Test: How did the wort taste?

The Results:

Steel Cut Oats:

  • Mash Taste: Oats themselves are soft, but still with a bit of tooth. Some noticeable sweetness left in the mash. Remove the barley husk from this and I could totally see this being a Scotsman’s breakfast. (I would seriously eat it)
  • Iodine: The test showed complete conversion and with the wort being clearer, there was no confusion to the readings – iodine went in iodine colored and stayed iodine color
  • OG: ~15.2B (aka 15.2P), compared to the theoretical max of 27.5P means we gathered to the wort ~55.3% of the sugar. This is less than the Flaked (see next section) Makes me a little worried about the overall extract.
  • Wort: Wort tastes very oaty with a hearty mouthfeel and clean nutty component. Definite impact from the oats on the overall character. Would definitely enjoy this in the morning. Might be the ultimate Hot Scotchy.


Contact! Iodine Stays Iodiney (Even after swirling and mixing)

Some days my refractometer photo game is on point. This was not one of those days Steel Cut – reading about 15.2B
Flaked Oats:

  • Mash Taste: This mash was total mush. The oats had no residual presence having just dissolved away. The mash itself was mostly bland, lacking sweetness, indicating it had moved into the wort.
  • Iodine: The test showed complete conversion, though the extra material carried into the wort was causing some color change that eventually settled back to dirty iodine color
  • OG: ~18B (aka 18P), compared to the theoretical max of 27.5P means we gathered to the wort ~65.5% of the sugar. Not too shabby.
  • Wort: Much, much sweeter than the steel cut. The body is much thicker, more viscous. Feels like an old English nursemaid’s recovery drink “Beechum’s Barley Oat Tonic Revitalizes Your Sapped Spirits. Now With Radium for Extra Pep!”


Muddier, but still iodine color (the blotch of purple in the upper corner did fade back)

That’s no horizon, but it’s a lot higher than the steel cut!
Conclusions (aka Finally you get to the point you rambling so and so.)

Ok, so it’s fairly clear that we get extract when using steel cut oats raw in a mash. Even in this dirty test we see the grain softened and starches released. Now, this was also the best case scenario – the oats had a nice long (120 minute) mash, but a good portion of that was the ramp up to saccharification, so the soak would have been slower.

Does this mean I feel comfortable saying “eh, just go and throw your steel cut oats in the mash”? I’m going to say “maybe”. I think there was a fair amount of extract left in the steel cut  compared to the flaked. This leads me to say that if you want a better guarantee of full extract from your steel cut oats, you should probably still cook them first just to give everything a head start.

The steel cut wort was clearer, but I’m not certain that’s going to matter with a proper mash with proper lautering, boiling, chilling and then a whole cycle of fermentation and racking. Besides isn’t oat haze part of all the rage these days?

What was also nice to see was just how much impact the oats had on the worts. If you’ve ever doubted oats were doing anything at the usual brewer’s addition rate of 5-10%, 50% will definitely convince you that there’s an impact.

What do you think? Any ideas for other “quick and dirty” science things we can perform? I did this in a single afternoon because it bugged me I didn’t know the answer.

Brew Files – Episode 2 – The Crushable Cream Ale

The Brew Is Out There!
STYLE SHOW
This episode we give Denny's voice a rest as Drew explores one of his favorite beers to absolutely crush. (Yes, we know the irony of just talking about crushable on the other show, but if any beer style is crushable in a way that leaves you feeling respectable – it's cream ale). So sit back and let Drew tell you the story of Cream Ale – an American Original!
Episode Links:
I Dream of Jenny Cream Ale: https://www.experimentalbrew.com/recipes/i-dream-jenny-cream-ale
Episode Content:
00:03:15 History
00:11:51 Taste
00:21:41 Ingredients
00:26:19 Recipe
00:28:16 Wrapup!
This episode is brought to you by:

Brewers Publications
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Episode 32 – The IBU Is A Lie

In the feedback we tackle Denny's favorite Myths according to our friends and some early feedback about our new show – The Brew Files!
Reminder our charity of is choice is the San Gabriel Valley Humane Society. Let's try and raise enough funds via Patreon to hit a cool thousand by July!
Episode 36 is an all Q&A episode – so get your questions in at questions@experimentalbrew.com
In the pub, we talk ABI's latest beer “innovations”, what Asahi taking over Pilsner Urquell from SAB Miller will mean for the original Pilsner and the annual hop crop report and what we can expect to see.
In the brewery, Denny covers his recent experience with the Grainfather.
In the lab, we finally get to the results of our Great IBU Experiment brought to you by NikoBrew.com, the AHA, Oregon Brew Lab and the IGORs! First you'll hear from Dana Garves of Oregon Brew Lab describing her journey into Beer Science and how she opened OBL. She'll describe the testing she performed for us and even offer more testing suggestions. And then we bring in special guest star of the episode – the man behind the equation – Dr. Glenn Tinseth.
We tackle a few more of your questions in our Q&A segment and then a listen offers a quickly tips about winter brewing before we close out with Drew's new book – Eight Flavors!
Episode Links:
San Gabriel Valley Humane Society – http://www.sgvhumane.org/
ABI & Keurig Teaming Up – https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-06/ab-inbev-to-work-with…
Asahi picks up Pilsner Urquell – http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-38299071
The increase and decrease in the hops crop – http://thebrewermagazine.com/?p=4544
Grainfather: https://www.grainfather.com/
Oregon Brew Lab: http://www.oregonbrewlab.com/
Dana's Emulsification Video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LeV7cHnyQY
Tinseth's Hops Page: http://realbeer.com/hops/
Eight Flavors – The Untold Story of American Cuisine – Sarah Lohman – http://amzn.to/2izEuo3
Patreon Remember even a buck is good for charity: http://www.patreon.com/experimentalbrewing
Experimental Brew Store – https://www.experimentalbrew.com/store
Episode Contents:
00:00:00 Our Sponsors
00:05:21 Feedback
00:12:50 The Pub
00:25:30 The Brewery – Grainfather
00:35:37 The Lab – The Great IBU Test
00:38:04 The Lab – Dana of Oregon Brew Lab
00:52:35 The Lab – Glenn Tinseth
01:32:07 Q&A
01:42:23 Quick Tip & Something Other Than Beer
This episode is brought to you:
American Homebrewers Association
BrewCraft USA Craftmeister
Jaded Brewing
Mecca Grade Estate Malt
NikoBrew PicoBrew
Wyeast Labs

Interested in helping Denny and Drew with the IGOR program (aka help us run experiments!) – contact them at igor@experimentalbrew.com. We want more Citizen Science!
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Where All This Began In a Photo

This is the magic secret photo – I’m not quite certain but I believe this index card is from around 2008. Back then I was working with fellow brewer, now turned Motor Trend star, Jonny Lieberman on a few beer concepts. I don’t remember the circumstances, but I sat down and wrote out a list of experiments that would be fun to explore to build up brew knowledge.

The card got filed away. Jonny became a car authority with a much more amusing life.

A few years later, Experimental Homebrewing  became a project and the first time that Denny and I worked together on something this massive. By that point, I had completely forgotten about this card. It was lost in a shuffle of papers in a cubby hole in my desk. About halfway through the project, in one of those fits of “cleaning and organizing is more fun than writing!”, I found the card and it was funny, because a number of these experiments were already written for Experimental Homebrewing! They must have stayed locked away in the recesses of my mind, fermenting and waiting for their debut.

Always fun to find artifacts of the the past!

Brew Files – Episode 1 – BVIP and Springtime in Amarillo

The Brew Is Out There!
What's this? What's this? It's a new show from us! The Brew Files is our quick hit (~30 minutes) show dedicated to a specific brewing topic. No news, new extraneous guffawing and jawing – one topic, all beer, let's do this. Every week will tackle particular recipes, styles, techniques or ingredients.
RECIPE DESIGN SHOW
For our inaugural episode, we each break down one of our favorite recipes and explore the why's, wherefores and how's of each. Where did they come from? What have they become and what did we learn when we made them.
Denny tackles one recipe everyone knows him for – the much beloved Denny's Bourbon Vanilla Imperial Porter. Why did he first make the recipe? Why does he skip the oak and go straight for the whiskey?
Drew walks everyone through his hybrid American Saison – Springtime in Amarillo. Learn what beer gave birth to the recipe and what twists and changes it's gone through over time and how often it still shows up in the brew schedule.
Episode Links:
Denny's Bourbon Vanilla Imperial Porter: https://www.experimentalbrew.com/recipes/
Drew's Springtime in Amarillo: https://www.experimentalbrew.com/recipes/springtime-amarillo
Episode Content:
00:01:30 Denny's BVIP
00:17:50 Drew's Springtime in Amarillo
This episode is brought to you by:
Brewers Publications
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The Pegu Club Cocktail

After Van Havig of Gigantic Brewing mentioned his love of Gin, we talked about some favorite preparations. You can hear him describe in Episode 29 the Pegu Club Cocktail – the house cocktail of the British gentlemen’s club in Rangoon. It’s super dangerous and really easy to drink

Here’s what I’ve been making:

1.5 oz Gin

0.75 oz Cointreau/Tripel Sec/Orange Curacao

0.25 oz Lime Juice

1 dash Aromatic Bitters (e.g. Angostura Bitters – I use Scrappy’s)

1 dash Orange Bitters (I use Regan’s)

Shake with crushed ice for 15-30 seconds to make ice cold. Strain into a chilled cocktail glass.

Some versions up the amount of gin to a full 2 oz and even increase the lime juice to a full 0.75 oz, but I think that’s a bit too much lime.

Episode 31 – Brew Years Resolutions

Happy New Beer!
In the feedback we talk over a few things, like our missed quick tip last week and what does it mean when a beer is truly awesome.
On a quick personal note from Drew – thanks for your kind words about Cookie. Thanks to your feedback, we're announcing that our charity for the first half of 2017 will be the shelter where I rescued Cookie 6 years ago – the San Gabriel Valley Humane Society. Let's try and raise enough funds via Patreon to hit a cool thousand by July!
Then we hear from you, our listeners, about your Brew Year's Resolutions. What's everyone going to accomplish in 2017?
In the pub, we quickly hit the classroom for a little AI brewing and Sierra Nevada's big contribution to beer science.
In the library, we visit with Lars to talk about his latest research of Norway's brewing practices.
In the lab, we take a moment to drop some results for a quick test of people's judging abilities.
In the lounge, we visit with Chuck Macaluso, a Portland homebrewer of recent reknown. We're sitting in the Hair of the Dog Tasting room, so be warned, the audio is a little “lively”.
We tackle more of your questions in our Q&A segment and then Denny quickly tips with a note about id'ing your carboys before we close out with Drew's recent comic book finds (and of course Sherlock is back)
Episode Links:
San Gabriel Valley Humane Society – http://www.sgvhumane.org/
AI Beer – https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-15/your-next-beer-might-…
Sierra Nevada's UC Davis Endowment – https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/sierra-nevada-brewing-owners-give-2-million…
Lars' Breakdown of geography and brewing techniques. http://www.garshol.priv.no/blog/359.html
Weyermann buys Thüringer Malz – http://www.weyermann.de/dk/news.asp?go=ne&show=yes&idne=8664&umenue=yes&…
Darth Vader – https://www.comixology.com/Darth-Vader-2015/comics-series/35302
Star Wars: Doctor Aphra – https://www.comixology.com/Star-Wars-Doctor-Aphra-2016/comics-series/82182
Patreon Remember even a buck is good for charity: http://www.patreon.com/experimentalbrewing
Experimental Brew Store – https://www.experimentalbrew.com/store
Episode Contents:
00:00:00 Our Sponsors
00:04:40 Feedback
00:09:44 New Show Announcement – The Brew Files
00:10:53 Brew Years Resolutions
00:23:35 The Pub
00:34:02 Library – Geography's Influence on Brewing Practices
00:39:20 The Brewery – Weyermann and Terrior Malt
00:44:10 The Lab – Commercial Tasting
00:53:42 Lounge – Chuck Macaluso
01:33:46 Q&A
01:45:15 Quick Tip & Something Other Than Beer
This episode is brought to you:
American Homebrewers Association
BrewCraft USA Craftmeister NikoBrew PicoBrew
Wyeast Labs

Interested in helping Denny and Drew with the IGOR program (aka help us run experiments!) – contact them at igor@experimentalbrew.com. We want more Citizen Science!
In the meanwhile, subscribe via your favorite podcasting service (iTunes, etc). Like our podcast, review it – talk it up! If you have comments, feedbacks, harassments, etc, feel free to drop us a line at podcast@experimentalbrew.com. Follow us on Facebook (ExperimentalHomebrewing) or Twitter (@ExpBrewing). If you have questions you'd like answered in our Q&A segment, send an email to questions@experimentalbrew.com!
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Episode 30 – Breaking Down with Breakside

Quick Start – Call us at 626-765-1ALE to leave us a quick message about your Brew Year's Resolution or record it on your phone/computer and email us at podcast@experimentalbrew.com!
It's listener feedback time and everyone has their favorite glasses. Until the end of 2016 you can use the codes ZYMDENNY and PICODENNY for some serious discounts on PicoBrew's fancy systems. In the pub we talk through loss, Mobcraft's adroit handling of a bad beer name, beer and politics and Denny's time in St. Louis. In the library, we debate beer terms that you should retire. What are your terms?
In the lounge, we visit with Ben Edmunds at Breakside Brewing where we also met Paco the Brew Dog. (Dogs are running through this episode). What did we learn about the fine art of growing up from a brewpub to a rapidly growing brewery with a big barrel room
We tackle more of your questions in our Q&A segment and then Drew quickly tips with a line cleaning trick of forgotten origin before we close out with Denny's recent culinary discovery – New Scandavian Cooking
Episode Links:
PicoBrew – http://www.picobrew.com – ZYMDENNY/PICODENNY
Cookie The Wonder Chorgi
The Mobcraft Crisis Breaking – https://thisiswhyimdrunk.blog/2016/12/07/addressing-diversity-in-beer-se…
Mobcraft's Response – http://blog.mobcraftbeer.com/7106-2/
New Albanian Revisit – http://potablecurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-potable-curmudgeon-can…
Capitol Hill Homebrew Competition – https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/politics-is-divisive-beer-…
5 Beer Cliches to Avoid – https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/news/five-beer-cliches-we-need-to…
Breakside Brewery – https://www.breakside.com/
AHA Bigfoot Recipe – https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/homebrew-recipe/sierra-nevada-big…
New Scandavian Cooking – http://newscancook.com
Patreon Remember even a buck is good for charity: http://www.patreon.com/experimentalbrewing
Experimental Brew Store – https://www.experimentalbrew.com/store
Episode Contents:
00:00:00 Our Sponsors
00:07:00 Feedback
00:14:17 The Pub
00:28:27 Library
00:34:08 Lounge
01:33:48 Q&A
01:53:15 Quick Tip
01:54:50 Something Other Than Beer
This episode is brought to you:
American Homebrewers Association
BrewCraft USA Craftmeister NikoBrew PicoBrew
Wyeast Labs

Interested in helping Denny and Drew with the IGOR program (aka help us run experiments!) – contact them at igor@experimentalbrew.com. We want more Citizen Science!
In the meanwhile, subscribe via your favorite podcasting service (iTunes, etc). Like our podcast, review it – talk it up! If you have comments, feedbacks, harassments, etc, feel free to drop us a line at podcast@experimentalbrew.com. Follow us on Facebook (ExperimentalHomebrewing) or Twitter (@ExpBrewing). If you have questions you'd like answered in our Q&A segment, send an email to questions@experimentalbrew.com!
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Experimental Brewing – Episode 29 – Purge of the Gigantic

It's listener feedback time (and thanks everyone for your survey responses)! In the pub we talk through the importance of glassware, catching Denny in St. Louis, and hey what are your brew year's resolutions? In the library, we talk about a new Brewer's Alamanc focused on plants and just where do we get beer styles from?
In the lab, we announce our next experiment – the great keg purge! Does the way you purge your kegs impact the way your beers age?
In the lounge, we visit with Van Havig, brew master at Portland's Gigantic Brewing where we talk Gin IPAs, MixBot and the Plague.
We tackle more of your questions in our Q&A segment and then Denny quickly tips with Kai's Conversion Efficient Calculation before we close out with two of Drew's recent favorite podcasts – LifeAfter and Crime Town.
Episode Links:
Dioni's Pumpkin Saison Photos: https://www.instagram.com/p/BLoWJ8cgtmO
Happy Holiday Competition – http://www.stlbrews.org/competition/hhhc/
Lew's Take on Glasses: http://thefullpint.com/editorial/pour-glass-beer-mug-schooner-tulip/
The Origin of Beer Styles: http://www.beersyndicate.com/blog/michael-jackson-and-the-origin-of-beer…
Keg Purge Experiment: https://www.experimentalbrew.com/experiments/great-purge-does-full-liqui…
Gigantic Brewing – https://gigantic-brewing-company.myshopify.com/
Kai's Conversion Calculator -http://braukaiser.com/wiki/index.php?title=Troubleshooting_Brewhouse_Eff…
LifeAfter: http://www.panoply.fm/shows
CrimeTown: https://gimletmedia.com/crimetown/
Patreon Remember even a buck is good for charity: http://www.patreon.com/experimentalbrewing
Experimental Brew Store – https://www.experimentalbrew.com/store
Episode Contents:
00:00:00 Our Sponsors
00:06:13 Feedback
00:12:59 The Pub
00:24:57 Library
00:31:30 Lab
00:37:44 Lounge
01:21:18 Q&A
01:38:33 Quick Tip
01:41:22 Something Other Than Beer
This episode is brought to you:
American Homebrewers Association
BrewCraft USA Craftmeister NikoBrew PicoBrew
Wyeast Labs

Interested in helping Denny and Drew with the IGOR program (aka help us run experiments!) – contact them at igor@experimentalbrew.com. We want more Citizen Science!
In the meanwhile, subscribe via your favorite podcasting service (iTunes, etc). Like our podcast, review it – talk it up! If you have comments, feedbacks, harassments, etc, feel free to drop us a line at podcast@experimentalbrew.com. Follow us on Facebook (ExperimentalHomebrewing) or Twitter (@ExpBrewing). If you have questions you'd like answered in our Q&A segment, send an email to questions@experimentalbrew.com!
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This episode can be downloaded directly at https://www.experimentalbrew.com/sites/d…
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Episode 28 – Uncommonly Common

On this pre-Turkey Day here in the US, we found ourselves back in Portland in this episode and we're at a brewery right up Drew's alley!
We start in the pub with a brief discussion of what fine beers we'll be supping on while we're stuffing ourselves silly. We also look at some charity from No-Li Brewing, a rather “innovative” beer addition to the Not Your Father's lineup and Mike Tonsmeire's Kveik experiments.
In the brewery, we examine the speciality malt market and what it means for the tide of craft beer styles from a global perspective and Drew talks about revisiting one of his favorite projects from the past with White Labs Zurich Lager strain.
In the lounge, we visit with Sean Burke at Common's Brewing where we explore their farmhouse centric approach and how they grew into a beautiful space with strange equipment.
For a quick tip, we share a brief note on using Hop Extracts efficiently and cleanly. (And what not to do with them!)
We tackle more of your questions in our Q&A segment before closing you out with two of Drew's latest finds – HBO's Westworld and a Beastie Boys / Daft Punk Mashup that is pretty damn awesome.
Episode Links:
No-Li Brewing's Charity Fundraiser – http://www.krem.com/news/community/no-li-brewery-and-community-raises-15…
Not Your Father's IPA – http://beerpulse.com/2016/11/not-your-fathers-taproom-ipa-and-cherry-ale…
Mad Fermentationist Kveik Experiments – http://www.themadfermentationist.com/2016/11/voss-and-muri-kveik-strains…
Specialty Malts – http://www.craftbrewingbusiness.com/news/malt-industry-update-specialty-…
Falconsclaws (The Original) – https://www.maltosefalcons.com/recipes/falconsclaws
White Labs Zurich Lager – http://www.whitelabs.com/yeast-bank?keywords=zurich&type=yeasts (Specialty Order!)
Commons Brewery – http://www.commonsbrewery.com/
Westworld – http://www.hbo.com/westworld
Daft Science – https://coinsmakeyoudance.bandcamp.com/album/daft-science
Patreon Remember even a buck is good for charity: http://www.patreon.com/experimentalbrewing
Experimental Brew Store – https://www.experimentalbrew.com/store
Episode Contents:
00:00:00 Our Sponsors
00:05:47 The Pub
00:23:47 Brewery
00:32:34 Lounge
01:20:27 Q&A
01:39:11 Quick Tip
01:41:20 Something Other Than Beer
This episode is brought to you:
American Homebrewers Association
BrewCraft USA Craftmeister NikoBrew PicoBrew
Wyeast Labs

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Episode 27 – One Year of Silliness

Has it really been one year? Yup – The first episode of Experimental Brewing appeared on November 11th of 2015. The tricky part is we taped that first show at least three times. We wanted to get it right as possible coming out of the gate. We're still not there yet, but with your help, we can do it! Take our survey, leave us a review on iTunes,etc.
But first, in this episode we revist some of our favorite pieces of the first year of Experimental Brewing. We talk briefly at the pub about some recent news and happenings and then straight into the dream sequences as we revisit the world of data outliers, talk to Lew Bryson about Session Beers, Denny and Drew getting their learning on, talk weird beers with Russell Everett, Saisons, prove we can't taste anything with Marshall at HomebrewCon and close out with less than laconic Rodger Davis of Faction Brewing. We think we even got all the beeps in place for him this time!
Episode Links:
James Townsends & Sons Brewery Tour – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLxNWWeEAlw
Jack Joyce Scholarship Fund – http://brewpublic.com/beer-education/jack-joyce-scholarship-awards-70000…
Patreon Remember even a buck is good for charity: http://www.patreon.com/experimentalbrewing
Experimental Brew Store – https://www.experimentalbrew.com/store
Episode Contents:
00:00:00 Our Sponsors
00:05:26 The Pub – ABI / James Townsend's & Son / Jack Joyce Scholarship
00:16:08 Segment 1 – Outliers aka Why Science is Messy
00:26:05 Segment 2 – Lew Bryson – Corgi's and Session Beers
00:40:29 Segment 3 – Diastatic Hops – Denny and Drew say “huh”
00:54:02 Segment 4 – Russell Everett – Stout Noodles and Cool Ranch Beer
01:01:15 Segment 5 – Saison Experiment – Why Marshall is Wrong
01:18:21 Segment 6 – Homebrew Con – Marshall Makes Us Look Like Idiots
01:30:22 Segment 7 – Rodger Davis – Hops, Swearing, Forklifts and More
01:45:00 We Sing You Out
This episode is brought to you:
American Homebrewers Association
BrewCraft USA Craftmeister NikoBrew PicoBrew
Wyeast Labs

Interested in helping Denny and Drew with the IGOR program (aka help us run experiments!) – contact them at igor@experimentalbrew.com. We want more Citizen Science!
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Episode 26 – New England Righteousness

One full year of Experimental Brewing is in the books! (So much editing, so much umm and ahhs)
But that’s beside the point – on with the show! We tackle some user feedback around Drew’s keg purging methods and Denny’s feelings on Nugget hops. And then it’s into the pub where we tackle the big news about ABI’s acquisition of Northern Brewer/Midwest. We’re puzzled – are you puzzled? Join us in being puzzled! Drew talks about his experience with Cask Marque and finding righteous beer bargains.
In the brewery, we talk about the beauty and performance of JaDeD Brewing’s chillers. Seriously, these things are great.
In the library, a little comedy courtesy of McSweeney’s from a listener and a new podcast from the Master Brewers Association of America for your actual knowledge.
In the lab, we discuss the results of our first New England IPA experiment – Wyeast 1056 vs. Wyeast 1318. Can tasters taste a difference? What about the haze? The Hop character? Where do we go from here.
And it’s a twofer in the lounge as we just finished a quick trip to the Portland/Vancouver area to talk at our sponsor Brewcraft USA’s RetailerCon. So we started our trip by talking with the folks at FH Steinbarts about their shop and their community’s recent speakeasy loss. And then we get into a Pineapple Kolsch with Larry Clousner, great friend of the show and partner at Pono Brewing.
We close out the show with Drew’s recent reading about some of the deep seated organized crime and corruption of LA in the 1920’s and 30’s with “A Bright and Guilty Place” by Richard Rayner.
Episode Links:
Hoppy Halloween – See Drew on 10/29 – http://hoppyhalloween.com/
Cask Marque – http://cask-marque.co.uk/
McSweeney's – https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/20-ways-to-talk-to-me-about-your-hom…
MBAA Podcast – http://masterbrewerspodcast.com/
JaDeD Brewing – http://jadedbrewing.com/
New England IPA Experiment – https://www.experimentalbrew.com/experiments/new-england-ipa-series-it-y…
FH Steinbart – https://fhsteinbart.com/
Dean's Scene – http://www.oregonlive.com/dining/index.ssf/2016/10/dean_pottle_owner_of_…
Pono Brewing – https://ponobrewing.com/
A Bright and Guilty Place – http://amzn.to/2fdLODv
Patreon Remember even a buck is good for charity: http://www.patreon.com/experimentalbrewing
Experimental Brew Store – https://www.experimentalbrew.com/store
Episode Contents:
00:00:00 Our Sponsors
00:07:28 Feedback
00:17:24 The Pub – ABI/Northern Brewer/Midwest, Cask Marque, Bargain Hunting
00:33:08 Brewery – JaDeD Brewing
00:14:50 Library – McSweeney's, MBAA Podcast
00:46:52 The Lab – NE IPA Is It The Yeast Results
00:58:58 Lounge – Being in Portland, Dean Pottle, FH Steinbart's
01:15:25 Lounge Pt. 2 – Larry Clouser of Pono Brewing
01:53:08 Something Other Than Beer – A Bright and Guilty Place
01:55:49 Recap
This episode is brought to you:
American Homebrewers Association
BrewCraft USA Craftmeister NikoBrew PicoBrew
Wyeast Labs

Interested in helping Denny and Drew with the IGOR program (aka help us run experiments!) – contact them at igor@experimentalbrew.com. We want more Citizen Science!
In the meanwhile, subscribe via your favorite podcasting service (iTunes, etc). Like our podcast, review it – talk it up! If you have comments, feedbacks, harassments, etc, feel free to drop us a line at podcast@experimentalbrew.com. Follow us on Facebook (ExperimentalHomebrewing) or Twitter (@ExpBrewing). If you have questions you'd like answered in our Q&A segment, send an email to questions@experimentalbrew.com!
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Episode 25 – BrewTan Your Questions Away

Second half of the Q&A episode is now ready for your listening and “learning” pleasure!
But first, before we dive into your questions, we're back with your feedback from the first Q&A episode and some Barley Crop Reports that we've cribbed from our friend Teri Fahrendorf and Denny reports on his eggs, because they're expensive!
Then we grabbed a chance to talk with multiple (no, really, multiple) award-winning homebrewer Joe Formanek. Normally we'd subject Joe to the whole twenty questions routine because seriously the man's impressive, but you can go read his profile in Homebrew All-Stars until we get back to that. Why the wait? Because Joe has an interesting new brewing product that he's helping spread the word on – Brewtan B. What is Brewtan B? Well, listen to the episode and find out.
Speaking of finding out – we're happy to announce our next experiment – this one is completely focused on figuring out if Brewtan B does what it says on the tin. (And in that spirit we're giving our IGORs some time to have some fun as well)
Then we get into your questions. For convenience's sake we've divided the questions into general topic categories. This episode we tackle Packaging and Philosophy Questions. We even have more “live” callers!
Episode Links:
BrewTan B – http://www.natural-specialities.com/PDF/Data-sheets/Brewtan%20B%20%20-%2…
Patreon Remember even a buck is good for charity: http://www.patreon.com/experimentalbrewing
Experimental Brew Store – https://www.experimentalbrew.com/store
Episode Contents:
00:00:00 Our Sponsors
00:04:34 Feedback
00:14:50 Library
00:21:17 Lounge – Joe Formanek and BrewTan B
00:46:37 The Lab – BrewTan B Experiment
00:50:39 Q&A Part Deux – Packaging Questions
01:32:30 Philosophy Questions
02:21:29 Recap
This episode is brought to you:
American Homebrewers Association
BrewCraft USA Craftmeister NikoBrew PicoBrew
Wyeast Labs

Interested in helping Denny and Drew with the IGOR program (aka help us run experiments!) – contact them at igor@experimentalbrew.com. We want more Citizen Science!
In the meanwhile, subscribe via your favorite podcasting service (iTunes, etc). Like our podcast, review it – talk it up! If you have comments, feedbacks, harassments, etc, feel free to drop us a line at podcast@experimentalbrew.com. Follow us on Facebook (ExperimentalHomebrewing) or Twitter (@ExpBrewing). If you have questions you'd like answered in our Q&A segment, send an email to questions@experimentalbrew.com!
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Episode 24 – We Answer Many Of Your Questions

You know how we said we were getting back to our “usual” format? Ha! Today we blow it up again because y'all sent in so many great questions. So many in fact, that we've split the Q&A into two episodes.
But first, before we dive into your questions, Denny grabbed a seat on a bus next to Gary Glass, Director of the American Homebrewer's Association to talk about the AHA's new phone app – Brew Guru – and why you want to put it on your magical sci-fi pocket computer.
Then we get into your questions. For convenience's sake we've divided the questions into general topic categories. This episode we tackle Fermentation, Ingredients and the Mash. And hey, we even have our first “live” caller! Aren't we fancy?
Don't forget to come back for Episode 25 when we tackle even more questions (plus some other cool content!)
Episode Links:
AHA's Brew Guru App – https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/brew-guru/
Patreon Remember even a buck is good for charity: http://www.patreon.com/experimentalbrewing
Experimental Brew Store – https://www.experimentalbrew.com/store
Episode Contents:
00:00:00 Our Sponsors
00:03:03 On The Hop Bus with Gary Glass
00:12:43 Fermentation Questions
00:58:08 Ingredient Questions
01:17:27 Mash Questions
This episode is brought to you:
American Homebrewers Association
BrewCraft USA Craftmeister NikoBrew PicoBrew
Wyeast Labs

Interested in helping Denny and Drew with the IGOR program (aka help us run experiments!) – contact them at igor@experimentalbrew.com. We want more Citizen Science!
In the meanwhile, subscribe via your favorite podcasting service (iTunes, etc). Like our podcast, review it – talk it up! If you have comments, feedbacks, harassments, etc, feel free to drop us a line at podcast@experimentalbrew.com. Follow us on Facebook (ExperimentalHomebrewing) or Twitter (@ExpBrewing). If you have questions you'd like answered in our Q&A segment, send an email to questions@experimentalbrew.com!
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Episode 23 – The Great Hop Whirlpool of Bainbridge

Busy Episode this time! Crammed with like – additional feedback to last episode's Staling results. Seems like some of you have been using scary old grain! In the pub we stop and talk a while about Denny's Hop School experiences (more on those later), the law in California and the crushing “loss” of Bosteels Brewery to ABI. (Maybe they should be Boo-steels now?) and one brewery's response to the recent PR campaign to try and make everyone feel better about the buyouts.
We swing by the brewery to talk about Drew's recent Saison yeast tasting – which you can find online. In the library we visit a couple of papers on yeast genetics.
In the lab, we're happy to announce our next great experiment – brought to you by our sponsors, the American Homebrewer's Association and NikoBrew.com. We're going to get a whole squad of homebrewers making up some hoppy beers and having them analyzed and tasted! See the recipe and experiment writeup for details. We're super stoked for this!
Then Denny goes and talks to the folks out of Whirlpool's W Labs about their soon to launch all in one fermenter, fridge, kegerator – the Vessi. Then he heads off to the posh environs of Bainbridge Island WA to talk with Russell Everett of Bainbridge Brewing. Listen and find out what stout and noodles have to do with each other.
Then in Something Other Than Beer – we lament 2016's continuing losses – this time with Gene Wilder. Then Drew shares Sia's new video for “The Greatest” which is a bit of a gut punch. Lastly, to leave on a happy note – Drew also mentions Comixology for all your comic enjoyment.
Finally Denny drops a tip about how best to dry your hops. The key – a little bit of heat, but not too much if you want to preserve all the good oils!
Episode Links:
Staling Experiment – https://www.experimentalbrew.com/experiments/impact-crushed-malt-age-bee…
YCH Hop School – https://ychhops.com/connect/events/home-brewing/hop-and-brew-school
AB-2172 – http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201…
Bosteels buyout – http://www.brewbound.com/news/b-inbev-acquire-belgiums-brouwerij-bosteels
Modern Times Response to Selling Out – http://moderntimesbeer.com/blog/what-selling-out?cc
Drew's Saison Yeast Tasting – https://www.experimentalbrew.com/blogs/drew/saison-files-tasting-saison-…
Lar Blogs – Yeast Genetcs – http://www.garshol.priv.no/blog/349.html
Cell – Domestication and Divergence of Saccharomyces cerevisiae Beer Yeasts – http://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(16)31071-6
The Great Hop Experiment – https://www.experimentalbrew.com/experiments/great-ibu-test
Vessi – https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/vessi-beer-fermentor-and-dispenser–4
Bainbridge Island Brewing – http://www.bainbridgebeer.com/
Something Other Than Beer – Gene Wilder – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tE1T2ys7qo
Something Other Than Beer – Sia – The Greatest – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKSRyLdjsPA
Something Other Than Beer – Comixology – https://www.comixology.com/
Patreon Remember even a buck is good for charity: http://www.patreon.com/experimentalbrewing
Experimental Brew Store – https://www.experimentalbrew.com/store
Episode Contents:
00:00:00 Our Sponsors
00:04:13 Support Us
00:05:19 Listener Feedback
00:13:44 The Pub – Hop School, California Law, Sellouts
00:28:00 The Library – Yeast Genetics
00:42:00 The Lab – The Great IBU Experiment Announcement
00:52:48 The Lounge – W Labs – Vessi
01:12:24 The Lounge – Russel Everett – Bainbridge Island Brewing
01:54:01 Something Other Than Beer – Gene Wilder, Sia, Comixology
02:00:43 Quick Tip – Hop Drying
This episode is brought to you:
American Homebrewers Association
BrewCraft USA Craftmeister NikoBrew PicoBrew
Wyeast Labs

Interested in helping Denny and Drew with the IGOR program (aka help us run experiments!) – contact them at igor@experimentalbrew.com. We want more Citizen Science!
In the meanwhile, subscribe via your favorite podcasting service (iTunes, etc). Like our podcast, review it – talk it up! If you have comments, feedbacks, harassments, etc, feel free to drop us a line at podcast@experimentalbrew.com. Follow us on Facebook (ExperimentalHomebrewing) or Twitter (@ExpBrewing). If you have questions you'd like answered in our Q&A segment, send an email to questions@experimentalbrew.com!
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