This is Jeff Rankert’s Rye Pilsner as tasted in Episode 179 of Experimental Brewing, live at San Diego HomeBrewCon!
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Brew Files – 145 – Ancient Brewing
The Brew Is Out There!
We’re going way back in time with Dr. Travis Rupp, the Beer Archaeologist. We’re tackling the question of “what is beer”, “what has it been over the course of human history”, and “what does it mean for us as brewers today?” Also, why did the Romans steal everything, including the Greek disdain for beer?
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I Ain’t Dead Yet!
So this happened last week in San Diego.
I became the 36th recipient of the AHA Governing Committee Recognition Award. For the record, I had no damn clue that this was happening – Denny kept it a secret from me and just made sure I was at the right place at the right time!

Annie Johnson, Drew (looking classy) and Julia Herz on stage with the award.
Every year since 1988 the American Homebrewers Association Governing Committee votes to single out one member of the homebrewing community for their work in the world of homebrewing. The award is given solely at the discretion and direction of the Governing Committee members (aka no one in the AHA or BA Corporate Staff has a say in the award). In a way, it’s a lifetime achievement award for being way, way too involved in brewing. I’m unspeakably shocked to join the ranks of big name recognition winners even that dang fool of a winner the GC awarded the year prior. (Love you, Denny!)

3 of the past 5 winners of the Award (Denny, Chris P Frey, me!)
The Acceptance Speech I Didn’t Give Because I Got Surprised With This Thing
Friends, brewers, ale lovers, lend me your beers. I come to brew a Saison, not praise Drew…..
It’s easy to get obsessed about the beer when at a conference in a city awash in suds and forget that the real prize in this hobby isn’t the glasses of drink, nailing that perfect haze or clarity (depending on your goals), the medals you win or the toys you gather to brew, but rather the making, learning and sharing.
What I Like About Brewing
- Enjoying the odd mix of tinkering and worrying over a creative mechanical process despite the whole effort being easily circumvented by going down the block to your nearest brewery or grocery store.
- Connecting with fellow nerds over such a sociable endeavour after all the solitary puttering time. Getting a chance to taste and ask questions or proudly tell my own story is so choice.
It’s the second bit that kicks me in the pants and keeps me working hard. I enjoy beer and brewing, but for a relatively quiet and shy (yes, I know – trust me) person, I love this community more than any pint.
Even with all the divisiness of today, beer people are pretty chill and fun to talk to. (some of you take this way, way, way too personally – its only beer) We’re mostly nerdy people ready to get deep in the weeds of humanity’s fundamental beverage.
For me – I live in a big damn city that can get pretty damn lonely despite there being 10 million other people here. It’s easy to float and be disengaged. The Maltose Falcons, my club, give me a way to connect and through them have I ever learned the broader world.
Why Homebrewing Matters To Me (and What I Get From It)
Beyond community, I’ll give you a few other reasons why homebrewing rocks and why you should continue to brew.
- Solidity of Process– I work with computers for a living and at the end of the day it’s hard to point at my laptop and say “I made this!”. Brewing engages a human need “to make” – to have a thing to point to as the fruits of our labor. Beer is there longer than the dinner I made and not as long as a birdhouse. (And frankly, you quickly run out of friends needing birdhouses)
- Exploring Tradition – Brewing is very much a craft – a practical art handed down from brewer to brewer. It stretches back over 10,000 years with tons of history, myths and legends. I love the stories and I love the frisson caused by the push/pull of tradition and science…
- Continuing to Learn – you can escape learning the science and just do the process, but the science makes this a whole lot easier! It’s kept me reading papers, learning chemistry and biology and isn’t that fun?
- Engaging With The Audience – I used to hate speaking in front of crowds, but then in a fit of “I need to help” I became the club president, requiring me to speak. Now I give presentations, multiple times per month for crowds, little or large, virtual or physical. The biggest knock-on effect has been in my career. I regularly give talks and presentations there as well and it’s helped me advance (while still being awful at schmoozing, but now at least people think it’s interesting that I brew)
The Final Message
Homebrewing is at a crossroads right now. Involvement is declining, homebrew shops and clubs see less interest. Every neighborhood has a brewery or two. Why bother spending 4-8 precious weekend hours making beer that I can buy down the street in a minute?
I cannot implore you enough – get out there, show people the creativity and positivity brewing encourages (even if you’re grumpy like me) and for the love of all things beery – MAKE BEER, HAVE FUN, AND ENJOY THE PEOPLE!
Some Things To Look At:
My very first article for Zymurgy (2006) Et Tu, Brut.
My Saison Guide – A Guide To Saisons and Saison Yeasts
My Zymurgy Article About Saisons- “A Saison For Every Season”
My BeerAdvocate Column: BYOB With Drew Beechum
Where the Podcast Started: Episode 1 of Experimental Brewing
Where We Decided To Make It More Complicated: BrewFiles Episode 1
One of my favorite presentations: Brewing on the Ones at NHC 2012
Core Drew Recipes:
CDJK Mild – The beer I want to have when I want a beer that won’t slow me down or bore me.
Citra Saison – My second foray into making a hoppy Belgian beer and still one of my favorites.
Clam Chowdah Saison – just to mess with ya’ll and remind you that beer doesn’t always need to be serious, but you need to be serious about what you’re doing. Plus it proved to Denny – don’t challenge me. 🙂
Falconsclaws Simplified – Big, bold, brassy and a perfect example of how I’ve changed my recipes over time. (Compare to the original)
I Dream of Jenny Cream Ale – Summer in a glass, period. I can drink a raft of this and be happy
Pliny the Toddler Pale Ale – A debiggified version of the classic Pliny the Elder. If you want to make a Pliny the Younger clone, I’d suggest Craig Shapland’s Old School TIPA
Saison Experimentale – Probably the beer I’ve brewed the most in my life. Such a wonderful glass of exploration. Simple and let’s the yeast shine.
Episode 178 – Denny Kong IPA
It’s here! As we publish, HomeBrewCon is happening and Denny Kong hits the taps! Drew sits down with Kelsey to discuss the recipe and why it does what we think is the “Modern IPA”
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Denny Kong Double Dry Hopped Modern West Coast IPA
Denny and Drew worked with Kelsey McNair of North Park Beer Co. to make their version of a modern West Coast IPA. All the hop love of a hazy mixed with the bitterness and drinkability of a standard West Coast IPA. Ingredients donated by BSG Handcraft, Yakima Chief Hops, and Wyeast Laboratories
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Brew Files – 144 – An Angry Horse’s Mexican Lager
The Brew Is Out There!
It’s summertime in SoCal and that means its time to grab a beach vacation in a glass. Drew sits down with Kevin Limon of Montebello’s Angry Horse Brewing to discuss Mexican lagers – light and dark. Grab a cerveza!
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2023 HomeBrewCon Schedule – San Diego
Homebrew Con Things to Know
Don’t forget to download the official HomeBrewCon App and of course there will always be new things found on HomeBrewCon.org
Wednesday – June 21st
– 6-8PM – North Park Beer Co and BSG Handcraft Denny Kong DDH IPA Release and Giveaway – 3038 University Ave, San Diego, CA 92104
– 6-9PM – Pure Project Homebrew Collab Party – North Park Tap Room – 2867 El Cajon Blvd, San Diego, CA 92104
– 6-9PM – Brewing Network 18th Anniversary – White Labs Brewing – 9495 Candida St, San Diego, CA
– 7-10PM – Modern Times AHA Party – Lomaland Fermentorium – 3725 Greenwood St. San Diego, CA 92110
Thursday – June 22nd
– 12:15PM-? – Milk the Funk Meetup – Town & Country B
– 1:30-2:30PM – Denny & Drew Speaking on Modern IPA – Town & Country A
– 3-3:30PM – Denny & Drew Signing at Brewers Publications – Home Brew Depot – Golden State Ballroom
– 5-8PM – White Labs Kick-off Party (aka ProNight at the Hotel)
– 8-10PM – 5 Star Homebrew Club Party – Bay City Brewing – 3760 Hancock St. San Diego, CA
Friday – June 23rd
– 11-1:30PM – Maltose Falcons Social Club Pouring
– 12:30-2:00PM – Denny & Drew Podcast Record – BSG Handcraft – Booth 702
– 3-3:30PM – AHA Forum and Online Group Meetup – Social Club
– 4-5PM – AHA Members Meeting – Palm 5&6
– 6-9PM – Club Night – at the Hotel
Saturday – June 24th
– 11:45AM-12:15PM – Denny & Drew Signing at Brewers Publications – Home Brew Depot – Golden State Ballroom
– 5-6PM – National Competition Awards Ceremony
– 5-7PM – Knockout Party – Town & Country Foyer
Prior Guests Speaking at the Conference
6/22 – 11:15AM – Pro-Up Your Homebrewing: Practical Tips for Brewing Great Beer at Home – Gary Glass – Town & Country A
6/22 – 1:30PM – Women & Beer Competitions – Michele Wonder & Melissa McCann – Pacific Ballroom DE
6/23 – 10AM – Traditional & Modern Cask Ale Techniques – Aaron Hyde – Town & Country B
6/23 – 11:15 – Question and Answer Panel with Homebrewing Experts – John Palmer, Annie Johnson, Brad Smith, Gordon Strong, Shawna Cormier – Town & Country A
6/23 – 2:45 – Gluten-Free Brewing: Industry Fireside Chat – Brian Newcomb, Robert Keifer, Karen Hertz, Cale Baldwin, Zach Griffin
Episode 177 – SoCal Knows How To Party
Drew’s favorite festival of the year just happened and look at that – Drew had a recorder with him to catch up with Andy Carter, Julia Herz and Andy Gamelin at the Southern California Homebrewers Festival
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Brew Files – 143 – Common Brewing Disasters
The Brew Is Out There!
Disasters. Accidents. Incidents. Call them what you will, but a moment’s missed attention in the brewery can cause bad things to happen. In this episode, Denny and Drew cover some of the more common things that can happen and importantly, how to keep them from happening again!.
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Episode 176 – Catching Up
It’s festival season and Denny and Drew catch up – including Denny’s experience with the Falcons and what happened with Drew’s massive brewday!
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Brew Files – 142 – Vinnie the Elder
The Brew Is Out There!
Vinnie Cilurzo has never forgotten his roots as a homebrewer and freely shares his knowledge with the crowd. We’re dropping you into the chaos of the 3rd Anniversary Happy Hour of the Maltose Falcons with Russian River as Drew, Vinnie and a cast of others, taste the classic Pliny the Elder and discuss what’s changed and why it works so well.
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Episode 175 – REPLAY – Awesome Club of Saison
Homebrew clubs are awesome and we can prove it! Entering it’s 6th year, the American Homebrewer’s Association’s Radegast Club of the Year Award seeks to recognize the crazy amazing things they do. We talk with the AHA’s Matt Bollng about the award and how your club can win! And we dig into a bunch of Saison info as well as the beer news and brewing fun! Continue reading
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Episode 174 – Porr’s Great Beers
Stephen Porr has been brewing and YouTubing for years and by reputation making great beers. How good? Denny finds out! Plus we finally get a chance to try David James’ Czech Amber!
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Dark Mystery Belgian Dark Strong Ale
SJPorr provided Denny with a taste of several of his beers in Episode 174 Porr’s Great Beers. This is his Belgian Dark Strong brewed with a dried yeast – Mangrove Jack’s MJ27
Revolution Imperial Stout
SJPorr provided Denny with a taste of several of his beers in Episode 174 Porr’s Great Beers. This is a burly Imperial Stout – the sort you sip on while thinking thoughts of a brand new world.
Falcon’s Prey IPA
SJPorr provided Denny with a taste of several of his beers in Episode 174 Porr’s Great Beers. This is a classic throwback IPA with all the malt touches and a nestload of Falconers Flight Hop Blend
Brew Files – 141 – Festival Brewing
The Brew Is Out There!
Drew’s procrastination has caught up with him and now he’s gotta scramble to make beers in time for the Southern California Homebrewer’s Festival. What’s his plan and how can you do the same?
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Episode 173 – A Cold Tale of Two IPAs
After hearing our confusion and musing on “What is Cold IPA”, listener and brewer David Basile offered us his Cold IPA and his take and notes on the style! And to double up the IPA content – Denny sent Drew his latest West Coast DIPA to break down.
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Brew Files – 140 – Distilling with Aaron Hyde
The Brew Is Out There!
Distillation is an ancient art with new modern tools to make it even easier. Drew talks with Aaron Hyde about how you can easily distill hops, herbs, water and alcohol <where legal> with countertop devices like the new Air Still Pro.Â
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Episode 172 – REPLAY – pH With Martin
The subject of water and most importantly, pH can be utterly confounding. Buffering capacity, acids, salt concentrations, “measurements expressed as” and temperature add to a mix of questions that baffle even experienced brewers. We sit down with Martin Brungard to work through common questions we see online to see if we can get answers!
Episode Links:
Homebrewers Association: https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/experimental
Hop & Brew School: https://hopandbrewschool.com/
The Pizza Shop Effect: https://www.beervanablog.com/beervana/2022/8/12/reincarnating-breweries
Westy gets redesigned: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid0x975FSR9nUsrRwSv…
Anderson Valley’s First Pilsner: https://thefullpint.com/beer-news/anderson-valley-brewing-releases-the-p…
What have you dumped?: https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/how-to-brew/dump-em-or-dont-when-…
Under the Volcano: https://www.justwatch.com/us/movie/under-the-volcano-2021
The Pongo Fund: https://www.thepongofund.org/
Patreon Remember even a buck is good for charity: http://www.patreon.com/experimentalbrewing
Episode Contents:
00:00:00 Opening & Our Sponsors
00:01:57 Announcements & Feedback
00:7:25 The Pub
00:24:27 The Brewery
00:35:26 The Lounge with Martin
01:12:38 Q&A, Quick Tip & Something Other
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